tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24847601.post1044765714845875116..comments2024-01-11T04:26:33.475-05:00Comments on Drifting Through The Grift: The Evolution Of How They See Usgriftdrifthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04509712527908530572noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24847601.post-74796750553377290682009-12-23T07:20:18.950-05:002009-12-23T07:20:18.950-05:00BTW: who is Jane Kiddman?BTW: who is Jane Kiddman?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24847601.post-24927728904549884952009-12-22T21:42:25.597-05:002009-12-22T21:42:25.597-05:00Oops, wrong account.
I did see it, mostly because...Oops, wrong account.<br /><br />I did see it, mostly because of the sudden spike in my traffic (and saw someone asking if I was sexy...gotta love how the PP boys play with a girl poster). Thanks for the recognition, even if I am a little wary of attention.<br /><br />And we are most definitely a hoot to drink with.Sarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18339673763054572203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24847601.post-17391038239516038382009-12-22T21:40:58.114-05:002009-12-22T21:40:58.114-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Pokeristahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06707781319963324911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24847601.post-63506689505161525422009-12-22T21:29:46.842-05:002009-12-22T21:29:46.842-05:00"Jim Galloway (and others to a lesser extent)..."Jim Galloway (and others to a lesser extent) provides him legitimacy when he says things like "this should be taken seriously". "<br /><br />An old fight here but...it wasn't so much giving Erick credibility with that statement. Erick wasn't the one to start the rumor and (IIRC), the site first came to me in an email. Now, is it better to say, hey, there was an email circulating with a link to this site (which no one could read because...well its an email), or at least link to someone else who was publishing the story (which was what Galloway what should have been taken "seriously" not the linker). Won't get into if it should or should not have been taken seriously (although I'm willing to think that you never would have thought it should be for a variety of reasons, chiefly being it is giving you bullying point), but the point is, it was the story, not the person who was to be taken seriously. <br /><br />Wow that made no sense.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24847601.post-22431155234223902142009-12-22T19:18:09.525-05:002009-12-22T19:18:09.525-05:00@sara
Did you ever see my post in PeachPundit? I...@sara<br /><br />Did you ever see my post in PeachPundit? I lifted most of it from YOUR blog, just after Glenn started swirling toward the bottom of the bowl on December 4th:<br /><br />http://www.peachpundit.com/2009/12/04/your-worst-nightmare/<br /><br />I don't have ANY affiliation with PP, nor am I a political consultant, etc. I like to assimilate a wide variety of ideas, some of which I feel closer to than others.<br /><br />My method is like putting my butt on a cold bath tile in the summer, feels good after the shock wears off.<br /><br />Plus, y'all are probably a hoot to drink with!<br /><br />B BalzAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24847601.post-73251535090676816602009-12-22T18:25:12.564-05:002009-12-22T18:25:12.564-05:00Let's review some of the sentiments that have ...Let's review some of the sentiments that have gone before you: "You're More Dangerous Than J.B. Stoner. Homophobic Cheese Dick." The MP3:<br />http://bit.ly/6A2MXWGrayson: Atlanta, GAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04063253721956158654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24847601.post-40611493951468556082009-12-22T18:08:35.626-05:002009-12-22T18:08:35.626-05:00One day Imma gonna get some video of Suzanna Capel...One day Imma gonna get some video of Suzanna Capeluto reading Peach Pundit and put it on YouTube.Grayson: Atlanta, GAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04063253721956158654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24847601.post-36217007117470078082009-12-22T17:31:47.257-05:002009-12-22T17:31:47.257-05:00Shoot, Jay, even I take Erick "marginally ser...Shoot, Jay, even I take Erick "marginally seriously."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24847601.post-83522288716647179722009-12-22T16:50:10.908-05:002009-12-22T16:50:10.908-05:00We're rather proud of ourselves! Even though w...We're rather proud of ourselves! Even though we're not "reporters".DeKalb Officershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05552127735046540452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24847601.post-27869193051961206192009-12-22T16:37:10.540-05:002009-12-22T16:37:10.540-05:00Someone, not me.Someone, not me.Joeventureshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15065739015288268209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24847601.post-42360376946799603752009-12-22T16:35:13.792-05:002009-12-22T16:35:13.792-05:00well regardless of what your definition of what is...well regardless of what your definition of what is serious and not serious is, or whether you like ericks style or political leanings, red state is essentially the conservative version of dailykos, he oftens practices punditry on national tv, gets invited to pow wows w/ senators and vice presidents, and is an elected official--so he must be taken at least marginally seriously by someone...Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09625471492825682262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24847601.post-17670132387224426562009-12-22T16:19:17.041-05:002009-12-22T16:19:17.041-05:00OK, maybe I should have said "recognizes it g...OK, maybe I should have said "recognizes it generally as crap."<br /><br />There may, on occasion, be some nuggets of worthwhile and well-reported information on Peach Pundit. But -- recognizing here I can't speak for other journalists -- I'd not rely on Peach Pundit as a sole source for anything I might pass along to my reading public.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24847601.post-12090358481297381472009-12-22T15:30:58.275-05:002009-12-22T15:30:58.275-05:00He's not called on it because everyone with ev...<i><br />He's not called on it because everyone with even a slight acquaintance with his musings and with Peach Pundit already recognizes it all as "crap."</i><br /><br />...with the problem being the reporting of such "crap" to the general public as some variant of "not crap".<br /><br />...and with such a false premise established, Erickson (and by extension, his faction) gain from both sides of what amounts to contextual doublespeak.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14242493735687168469noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24847601.post-42561712375764125042009-12-22T15:22:10.572-05:002009-12-22T15:22:10.572-05:00Grift, it may just be that I'm a victim of per...Grift, it may just be that I'm a victim of perspective. As an editorial page editor, having soemone aggressively attacking my profession is a daily occurrence. If they're not attacking the editorial page for being too liberal, or too conservative, or out of touch with everyday folks, or any of another thousand imagined sins, they're bending my ear with tales of how our reporting staff is biased, or hiding the truth, or whatever.<br /><br />It's pretty easy to simply dismiss those kinds of annoyances, which for the most part are groundless accusations more reflective of the complainer's bias than any bias on the part of the newspaper.<br /><br />I lump Erick into the category of "those kinds of annoyances," although maybe I should start paying a bit more attention to what he's saying.<br /><br />Oh, and Jay -- just so you'll know, radio talk shows and much of Fox News are hardly serious news and commentary. Having a place on the spectrum isn't the same as being a valued component of the media.<br /><br />Jim ThompsonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24847601.post-86360050457945854622009-12-22T15:00:08.930-05:002009-12-22T15:00:08.930-05:00sara, of course i'm not under the delusions th...sara, of course i'm not under the delusions that our conversations are that interesting to journalists that check up on pp, just trying to put 90+% of what goes on there into some context.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09625471492825682262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24847601.post-9585597724967781172009-12-22T14:25:52.307-05:002009-12-22T14:25:52.307-05:00Respectfully, Jay, no journalists are going to PP ...Respectfully, Jay, no journalists are going to PP to read y'alls chit chat, or Pete Randall's latest ravings, or the reposted candidate press releases. They go for the juicy juicy (possibly true) scoop. Sure, most of the time the place is just conversational interaction about GA politics, but most of the time the Enquirer is just pictures of Oprah looking fat or Nicole Kidman without makeup, too.Sarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18339673763054572203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24847601.post-54951961839317788002009-12-22T14:08:59.501-05:002009-12-22T14:08:59.501-05:00yeah but for every salacious story there are more ...yeah but for every salacious story there are more than a dozen stories about who's running for what, who's campaign is doing what, or what else is going on under the gold dome, it's not as racy rumor heavy as y'all are making it sound at all...but it does have a variety of posters w/ access to some insider stuff and is read by and commented on by a neat cross section of activists, elected officials and even other bloggers and real journalists, really mostly its a place for political nerds in ga to chit chat..Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09625471492825682262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24847601.post-3709784950565147072009-12-22T14:01:25.774-05:002009-12-22T14:01:25.774-05:00Also, how can we say that it's self-evident to...Also, how can we say that it's self-evident to all that PP is spewing crap, when numerous journalists have said both in these comments and in the links in the original post that it's a must-read, great place to get tips, etc.? There is some serious dissonance going on there, unless you're all saying it's must-read crap and a great place to get tips that never pan out. Which makes little sense.<br /><br />If it's an enjoyable read because you like seeing all the rumored scandals, that's one thing. But then it shouldn't be regarded as a great place to get tips or a newsworthy source, but a simple gossip rag. The Georgia politics version of the Star or National Enquirer, perhaps? (Which yes, are occasionally right. But also get sued fairly often.)Sarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18339673763054572203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24847601.post-74963261616338401532009-12-22T13:25:21.752-05:002009-12-22T13:25:21.752-05:00Jim,
The problem is it has become a blind spot fo...Jim,<br /><br />The problem is it has become a blind spot for the press. Surely no one takes them seriously. Meanwhile significant portions of the populace believe the President was born in Kenya, the earth is 6000 years old and don't get me started on Area 51.<br /><br />My point being that if someone was as aggressively attacking my profession, hell my passion, the way Erick attacks yours, I would be punching back. I understand the need to stay above the fray, but it might be time to realize you're taking more damage than you perceive.griftdrifthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04509712527908530572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24847601.post-33189732630104642002009-12-22T13:10:18.731-05:002009-12-22T13:10:18.731-05:00"When Erick refers to a Supreme Court justice..."When Erick refers to a Supreme Court justice in the terms he used, he assures his own irrelevance as a source of serious news or commentary"<br /><br />yeah, that's why he doesn't get invited to guest host radio talk shows or practice ounditry on fox anymore, oh wait...Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09625471492825682262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24847601.post-64438516991880514042009-12-22T13:05:30.143-05:002009-12-22T13:05:30.143-05:00The answer to your question "Why won't an...The answer to your question "Why won't anyone call Erick on his crap?" is contained within the question itself.<br /><br />He's not called on it because everyone with even a slight acquaintance with his musings and with Peach Pundit already recognizes it all as "crap." And, I suspect that anyone who starts today to regularly check in on Erick and Peach Pundit will pretty quickly come to that conclusion.<br /><br />I think most folks approach Peach Pundit the same way they approach the tabloids lined up at the supermarket checkout. They'll look at it, sure, but they understand that what they're getting does not in any way conform to even minimal journalistic standards.<br /><br />When Erick refers to a Supreme Court justice in the terms he used, he assures his own irrelevance as a source of serious news or commentary.<br /><br />Jim ThompsonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24847601.post-1129455903593555472009-12-22T12:44:46.831-05:002009-12-22T12:44:46.831-05:00This whole thread speaks to why I don't read P...This whole thread speaks to why I don't read Peach Pundit, and I pay far less attention to the AJC than I once did. The AJC has become much more a place to go in Atlanta for overzealous pundits of all stripes to get attention -- and much less a source of reliable news.<br /><br />As B Balz points out, politics is a bloodsport, and, "You have the ability to transcend from the 'bloodsport' of politics to a true Statesman." The AJC also has that ability, but rarely uses it. Such a shame.Joeventureshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15065739015288268209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24847601.post-47745621150187311472009-12-22T12:05:19.592-05:002009-12-22T12:05:19.592-05:00Yessir, something HAS changed.
Powerful folks re...Yessir, something HAS changed. <br /><br />Powerful folks recognize blogs influence people enough make them act. Politically, grassroots power, is true power. Influencing a lawmakers constituent to act is HUGE. <br /><br />You will recall that GoDekalb.com, which I believe is now defunct, carried the north DeKalb incorporation debate with about six active bloggers?<br /><br />To me, that was a 'fire test' showing that a fledging technical process (blogging) went beyond an experiment into real world action. The incorporation of Dunwoody was greatly influenced by GoDeKalb.com, and to a lesser degree, mainstream media (MSM).<br /><br />Ultimately, the organizational ability of those folks pro-Dunwoody made that City happen. Yet, the power of intelligent, often acerbic, blogger commentary was not lost on pols, political operatives (as you so very well noted), and others.<br /><br />Never quit delivering timely news, and occasional rumor, and opinions. We are all better off for it.<br /><br />Best Holiday wishes,<br /><br />B BalzAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24847601.post-71239286511049970322009-12-22T11:20:05.261-05:002009-12-22T11:20:05.261-05:00B Balz, I appreciate the sentiment and will admit ...B Balz, I appreciate the sentiment and will admit maybe there is a bit of sour grapes here. I admit it bothers me that I agonized over this publicly and was privately admonished, yet Erick does far worse and is seen as a "must read" or "coverage". Do people view me differently than Erick? Expect the higher standard? I don't know. It's difficult to tell.<br /><br />But really my point is it appears the view of what is blog content is worth a professional journalist referencing seems to have radically changed and I am wondering why.<br /><br />Is it because it's Erick? Is it because Peach Pundit is the big dog? Is it because the whole story is dirty that it's not possible to stay away from the taint?<br /><br />I don't know the answer but I do know that three years ago, I don't think anyone (including some of the people commenting here) would have touched this.<br /><br />Something changed.griftdrifthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04509712527908530572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24847601.post-61739163212908137612009-12-22T11:01:51.044-05:002009-12-22T11:01:51.044-05:00Grift:
To me, your discussion reads as 'sour ...Grift:<br /><br />To me, your discussion reads as 'sour grapes' since Peach Pundit published salacious events that you chose to withhold on the reason of good taste and ethics.<br /> <br />Both ethics and good taste are characteristics of a gentleman, yet the rules of engagement for politics are hardly gentlemanly.<br /><br />You have the ability to transcend from the 'bloodsport' of politics to a true Statesman. <br /><br />Be that Statesman and the world will beat a path to your door.<br /><br />B BalzAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com