tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24847601.post3459577769352015780..comments2024-01-11T04:26:33.475-05:00Comments on Drifting Through The Grift: Let's Talk A Little Sciencegriftdrifthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04509712527908530572noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24847601.post-65801816909840196732008-03-28T13:43:00.000-04:002008-03-28T13:43:00.000-04:00Ben Stein is smart, which makes this video shockin...Ben Stein is smart, which makes this video shocking. The mix of paranoia and self righteousness scares me. The "debate" is a ruse and a waste of time. <BR/><BR/>I like Sam Harris' diamond the size of a refrigerator burried in the back yard story. Immagine a guy who's convinced there's a diamond the size of a refrigerator in his backyard. He says 'every weekend, me and my family dig in the backyard looking for a diamond the size of a refrigerator in my backyard. I can't tell you the joy I feel, when we're back there looking for it. In fact, I don't think I'd want to live in a universe where there's not a diamond the size of a refrigerator burried in my backyard.' And how is that any different or less rational.BEZERKOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13078673061869349008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24847601.post-75800879503169116872008-03-27T13:02:00.000-04:002008-03-27T13:02:00.000-04:00Well,scientists have other things to do. Like, um...Well,scientists have other things to do. Like, um, science. Is it really the best use of our great minds to spend time debating with BC Tours or Ben Stein. I'd rather they were trying to solve the real problems of our time. Yeah, radical, I know.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04760004363442961963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24847601.post-77272386974756019282008-03-27T12:56:00.000-04:002008-03-27T12:56:00.000-04:00I tried to respond 3 times and it ate my comment e...I tried to respond 3 times and it ate my comment every time, so I gave up.<BR/><BR/>It's a conspiracy!Sarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18339673763054572203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24847601.post-5855755686034630852008-03-27T12:43:00.000-04:002008-03-27T12:43:00.000-04:00Well blogger just ate my comment.So I'll try do a ...Well blogger just ate my comment.<BR/><BR/>So I'll try do a brief recap.<BR/><BR/>To answer the question why not debate first you have to answer the question why do creationists always want to control the format? Instead of a written debate or the peer review process they always choose some public forum where they can use glamour and glibness to obfuscate their deception.<BR/><BR/>Second. Debate would add a false air of legitimacy to their argument. Would we expect a historian to debate a holocaust denier just because we believe the historian would win?<BR/><BR/>Finally a little piece of science. Evolution does not deal with the origin of life. It deals with what happens to that life after it exists. Exactly the type of obfuscation creations love to use to confuse.griftdrifthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04509712527908530572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24847601.post-29451611655933670192008-03-27T11:41:00.000-04:002008-03-27T11:41:00.000-04:00Sara, I'm not sure I'm getting your argument. Grav...Sara, I'm not sure I'm getting your argument. Gravity had been a field of inquiry in India before Aristotle tried to figure it out. It was completely settled, once and for all eternity by Isaac Newton -until Einstein came along. Einstein's general relativity doesn't explain all the stuff that goes on in quantum mechanics and the current thinking in THAT field is a bunch of theories. (One of which is -ahem- the M Theory.)<BR/><BR/>Seems to have been a productive line of inquiry and debate.MTHEORYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15794622350644205231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24847601.post-71488369981361169892008-03-27T11:18:00.000-04:002008-03-27T11:18:00.000-04:00Gravity won the debate. Do we waste time continuin...Gravity won the debate. Do we waste time continuing to have it?<BR/><BR/>It's sort of like a rash of frivolous lawsuits against a product that's not really defective--even when the manufacturer wins every single one in the end, they waste more and more time and money defending every single one than they would if courts would start to recognize that they're frivolous and dismiss them. And meanwhile, it only takes one loss to embolden the plaintiffs, grab all the headlines and cause even more lawsuits to spring up.Sarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18339673763054572203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24847601.post-67668296440691382062008-03-27T10:52:00.000-04:002008-03-27T10:52:00.000-04:00Holy natural selection, batman! I thought I was th...Holy natural selection, batman! I thought I was the only person in the world who believed this whole Creation vs. Evolution "debate" is a false dilemma. "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. She did so with a Big Bang." End of debate? <BR/><BR/>Grift, I haven't seen the movie, and have too much to do today to commit to a lengthy back and forth, but it looked to me as though "Expelled" is about how the ID advocates and neo-creationists are being shut out of the scientific community, and treated with hostility by their colleagues.<BR/><BR/>My question is this: If Evolution wins the scientific "debate" over and over and over, (which it does and will because it is science and ID is not) why isn't the debate worth having? It's like the scientists are the Harlem Globetrotters and the creationists are the Washington Generals. Why doesn't science want 12,000 wins, and the opportunity to explain to a new audience every so often what the scientific method is? <BR/><BR/>Seems to me that debate would result in less stupidity, not more.MTHEORYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15794622350644205231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24847601.post-28835750139551004382008-03-26T21:04:00.000-04:002008-03-26T21:04:00.000-04:00What I find so disturbing about Stein (and the oth...What I find so disturbing about Stein (and the others who espouse this pablam) is the idea that evolution and a "higher power" (god, flying spaghetti monster, gaia, or whatever) are mutually exclusive. I've long believed that perhaps there was more than animated mud that started this whole experiment, but whatever "it" was happened hundreds of millions (or billions), not thousands, of years ago.<BR/><BR/>Keep the buckets comin' Grift.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04760004363442961963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24847601.post-85776638040957237322008-03-26T20:23:00.000-04:002008-03-26T20:23:00.000-04:00http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/03/expelle...http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/03/expelled.phpAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com