Monday, December 17, 2007

A Question To Ask


Here we go again.

I really wanted to attend the most recent hearings at the State Capitol on Global Warming. Unfortunately, I could not but if I had been present there is one question I would like to have posed.

Dr. Harold Brown, professor emeritus from the University of Georgia, urged caution, saying that the human impact on climate is difficult to ascertain. He also pointed out that climate experts were predicting a new Ice Age as late as the 1970s and demanding government action to “warm up” the planet.
And my question.

Dr Brown, isn't it true, sir, that the prediction of global cooling actually was reported in a Newsweek article, not a scientific journal, which was based on a paper tracking a minor cooling trend in the 40s and 50s and isn't it also true that after seeing the rather alarmist nature of the mainstream article, the authors of the original paper were quick to clarify they were in no way predicting a new ice age? Also, sir, do you not do a disservice to your fellow scientists by continuing to promote the myth portraying them as chicken little alarmists who hysterically warn of catastrophe based on error riddled theories?
Now wouldn't that have been fun?

17 comments:

Anonymous said...

How do we explain that the temperature on Mars is rising also? Could it be related to solar activity instead of man's pollution?

More particulate matter in the sky from pollution would obscure sunlight and reduce temperatures not raise them.

There is clear precedent a correlation from volcanic ash.

As long as there is money in global warming reasearch I am skeptical.

Anonymous said...

Global freaking warming? For weeks now we've hearing about all of these grandiose plans to redistribute the world's wealth and resources from wealthy free nations to dysfunctional third world dictatorships.

Environmentalists are upset with the outcome of the UN conference in Bali. But I bet that they would have been upset no matter the outcome ... because no rational foreign leader would be able to meet the demands of these wacko toad-licking moonbats. But back to Bali ... large industrialized countries, including America, agreed to cut emissions but they refused to agree on an EU proposal for a target of 25%-40% cut by 2020.

This upset the precious environmentalists. They say the world's biggest carbon emitters – America, Japan, and Canada – will be free to continue expanding their emission for many more years. That means that their economies may continue to grow ... and that really ticks off the enviro-whacko crowd big time. The EU proposal that the US rejected was one that fell in line with the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change ... the holy book for warmers. Clearly if the US didn't agree to proposals supported by the IPCC, the rest of the world would be upset, no matter what other suggestions or changes the US vows to make. By the way, the IPCC warns that the earth's temperature is going to rise by 2C over the next 100 years. They have no scientific evidence to prove this ... just their precious computer models; models which were fraudently programmed, by the way, to show a warming trend.

Paula Dobiansky is the US under secretary of state for democracy and global affairs. She initially said that she could not accept the EU's proposal. When this was made clear, the head of Papua New Guinea's delegation (I'd like to see the government educated find that on a map) had this to say to the US: "We seek your leadership, but if you cannot lead, leave it to the rest of us. Get out of the way." Yeah ... the United States is going to get out of the way of New Guinea.

Later Dobiansky said that she changed her mind after listening to submissions from Brazil and South Africa. So now the UN will hold another summit in 2009 where it intends for the world to sign up to a global system emissions for cutting CO2. Maybe by then the depth of this scam will have been realized.

griftdrift said...

YAY! I love me some memes!

Mars - The simple answer is Apples and Oranges. The only common factor Mars and the Earth have is the origin of energy i.e. the sun. Also you consider we have decades of data on the temperature of the Earth and have just barely scratched the surface of Mars. Hardly comparable data sets.

Particular matter - Particulate matter yes. CO2 no. CO2 traps energy which would normally be reflected back out.

Volcanic ash - Absolutely correct. When it is catastrophic such as Mt Pinatubo. However, we do not have sustained catastrophic volcanic activity for the past 150 years which it the time span where the global mean temperature has risen dramatically.

Money - There's money in everything. You should always be skeptical. But when the evidence becomes overwhelming skepticism begins to turn into mule headedness.

griftdrift said...

Truth seeker. I can find Papua New Guinea on a map. As far as the rest of your screed? Not worth the wasted bytes.

Anonymous said...

97% of CO2 emissions do not come from humans. Even a small swing in
natural CO2 emissions or other natural events could easily
overshadow any emissions we produce.

griftdrift said...

The problem is not strictly based in the amount of carbon produced. The problem lies in the dynamic between carbon produced vs carbon absorbed. It's a careful balance which when upset (in the past admittedly due to natural causes) can cause dramatic environmental changes.

Certainly nature produces the vast majority of carbon. Nature also is the one mechanism which can absorb this carbon back into the system.

The problem is man is now producing enough carbon that the scales have tipped towards for more being produced than can be naturally absorbed.

Simply put we are putting out more than Mother Nature can handle. It's not the total amount that matters. Its that small amount which goes beyond the equillibrium point that matters.

Amber Rhea said...

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Word verification: vwnag.

Anonymous said...

Aah Amber it is so refreshing to inspire the ire of name callers who apparently lack an intellectual response and manifest a superiority complex.

Though I don't embrace Grift's conclusions on the cause of Global Warming, I respect him enough not resort to calling him names.

Pathetic....

Anonymous said...

From Amber's photo it is clear she would know alot about trolls and their mating habits. RLOL

Sara said...

Weak. At least she has a photo up and isn't hiding behind an anonymous handle, "Truth Seeker."

Go ahead, call me ugly too. I can take it.

Amber Rhea said...

Oh, man! A cowardly "anonymous" commenter, likely male, avoids substantive argument and insults my looks! Shock, awe! I've never heard that one before!

*drink all of what ya got, again*

Open+Transparent said...

Yep, tons and tons of carbon gases, mercury, etc. in the air, over decades, without any consequences at all. We can do whatever we want without a smidge of guilt. We're only 3% on CO2 emmissions...sure.

The former UGA professor in question is in with the Georgia Public Policy Foundation, "a foundation dedicated to limited government, private enterprise, and individual responsibility"

...and funded by big bidness. If you hear Brown speak in person, sometimes, not every time, he can go batshit crazy.

Joeventures said...

Funny that South Fulton Guy mentions Mars, but not Venus. I wonder why :-D

South Fulton Guy said...

Year of global cooling



December 19, 2007

By David Deming



Al Gore says global warming is a planetary emergency. It is difficult to see how this can be so when record low temperatures are being set all over the world. In 2007, hundreds of people died, not from global warming, but from cold weather hazards.

Since the mid-19th century, the mean global temperature has increased by 0.7 degrees Celsius. This slight warming is not unusual, and lies well within the range of natural variation. Carbon dioxide continues to build in the atmosphere, but the mean planetary temperature hasn't increased significantly for nearly nine years. Antarctica is getting colder. Neither the intensity nor the frequency of hurricanes has increased. The 2007 season was the third-quietest since 1966. In 2006 not a single hurricane made landfall in the U.S.

South America this year experienced one of its coldest winters in decades. In Buenos Aires, snow fell for the first time since the year 1918. Dozens of homeless people died from exposure. In Peru, 200 people died from the cold and thousands more became infected with respiratory diseases. Crops failed, livestock perished, and the Peruvian government declared a state of emergency.

Unexpected bitter cold swept the entire Southern Hemisphere in 2007. Johannesburg, South Africa, had the first significant snowfall in 26 years. Australia experienced the coldest June ever. In northeastern Australia, the city of Townsville underwent the longest period of continuously cold weather since 1941. In New Zealand, the weather turned so cold that vineyards were endangered.

Last January, $1.42 billion worth of California produce was lost to a devastating five-day freeze. Thousands of agricultural employees were thrown out of work. At the supermarket, citrus prices soared. In the wake of the freeze, California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger asked President Bush to issue a disaster declaration for affected counties. A few months earlier, Mr. Schwarzenegger had enthusiastically signed the California Global Warming Solutions Act of 2006, a law designed to cool the climate. California Sen. Barbara Boxer continues to push for similar legislation in the U.S. Senate.

In April, a killing freeze destroyed 95 percent of South Carolina's peach crop, and 90 percent of North Carolina's apple harvest. At Charlotte, N.C., a record low temperature of 21 degrees Fahrenheit on April 8 was the coldest ever recorded for April, breaking a record set in 1923. On June 8, Denver recorded a new low of 31 degrees Fahrenheit. Denver's temperature records extend back to 1872.

Recent weeks have seen the return of unusually cold conditions to the Northern Hemisphere. On Dec. 7, St. Cloud, Minn., set a new record low of minus 15 degrees Fahrenheit. On the same date, record low temperatures were also recorded in Pennsylvania and Ohio.

Extreme cold weather is occurring worldwide. On Dec. 4, in Seoul, Korea, the temperature was a record minus 5 degrees Celsius. Nov. 24, in Meacham, Ore., the minimum temperature was 12 degrees Fahrenheit colder than the previous record low set in 1952. The Canadian government warns that this winter is likely to be the coldest in 15 years.

Oklahoma, Kansas and Missouri are just emerging from a destructive ice storm that left at least 36 people dead and a million without electric power. People worldwide are being reminded of what used to be common sense: Cold temperatures are inimical to human welfare and warm weather is beneficial. Left in the dark and cold, Oklahomans rushed out to buy electric generators powered by gasoline, not solar cells. No one seemed particularly concerned about the welfare of polar bears, penguins or walruses. Fossil fuels don't seem so awful when you're in the cold and dark.

If you think any of the preceding facts can falsify global warming, you're hopelessly naive. Nothing creates cognitive dissonance in the mind of a true believer. In 2005, a Canadian Greenpeace representative explained “global warming can mean colder, it can mean drier, it can mean wetter.” In other words, all weather variations are evidence for global warming. I can't make this stuff up.

Global warming has long since passed from scientific hypothesis to the realm of pseudo-scientific mumbo-jumbo.

David Deming is a geophysicist, an adjunct scholar with the National Center for Policy Analysis, and associate professor of Arts and Sciences at the University of Oklahoma.



http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071219/COMMENTARY/10575140

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